1 00:00:09,350 --> 00:00:05,650 your tool in tonight vision radio 2 00:00:12,020 --> 00:00:09,360 exposing the truth one secret at a time 3 00:00:14,509 --> 00:00:12,030 prepare yourself as we explore the 4 00:00:18,260 --> 00:00:14,519 shadow worlds of suppressed history 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:18,270 secret knowledge forbidden religion and 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:20,730 shine a light on the conspiracies to 7 00:00:36,930 --> 00:01:03,410 [Music] 8 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:08,940 welcome to night-vision radio 9 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:11,290 good evening everybody welcome to night 10 00:01:16,719 --> 00:01:13,550 vision radio I am your host Renee 11 00:01:18,430 --> 00:01:16,729 Barnett excited about the show tonight I 12 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:18,440 have a wonderful guest one of my 13 00:01:22,810 --> 00:01:20,450 favorite people and one of my favorite 14 00:01:25,090 --> 00:01:22,820 subjects so we're gonna get to that in a 15 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:25,100 moment I want to quickly remind everyone 16 00:01:28,210 --> 00:01:27,110 all you Reni's out there you know who 17 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:28,220 you are 18 00:01:37,090 --> 00:01:32,210 I'm encouraging everyone to come to the 19 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:37,100 language come to the r-mo Chateau Rumble 20 00:01:42,969 --> 00:01:40,610 ban area in May the first week of May of 21 00:01:46,570 --> 00:01:42,979 this year and just encouraging all 22 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:46,580 researchers and buffs and seekers to 23 00:01:51,279 --> 00:01:49,310 sort of show up at the same time I've 24 00:01:54,580 --> 00:01:51,289 always said one of the amazing things 25 00:01:56,050 --> 00:01:54,590 about about traveling there is that you 26 00:01:59,770 --> 00:01:56,060 never know who you're going to run into 27 00:02:01,930 --> 00:01:59,780 and it amazes me every single time I go 28 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:01,940 I'll run into people that I know that I 29 00:02:07,330 --> 00:02:04,190 had no idea we're going to be there at 30 00:02:08,979 --> 00:02:07,340 that time so it's always fun to just let 31 00:02:12,190 --> 00:02:08,989 the synchronicities happen but I thought 32 00:02:14,830 --> 00:02:12,200 well wife at some point we all sort of 33 00:02:17,140 --> 00:02:14,840 made a concerted effort to try be there 34 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:17,150 I know it's not easy for everybody to 35 00:02:23,050 --> 00:02:19,310 travel that far it certainly isn't for 36 00:02:24,910 --> 00:02:23,060 me I have a long way to go but it's my 37 00:02:27,819 --> 00:02:24,920 favorite place in the world so I am 38 00:02:29,590 --> 00:02:27,829 going to be traveling back there the 39 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:29,600 first week of May we're going to have 40 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:32,209 several activities including a new one 41 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:34,910 that we're going to be announcing 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:37,760 tonight I think many of you know I've 43 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:40,010 already announced that this May is the 44 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:44,500 10 year anniversary of my film bloodline 45 00:02:53,650 --> 00:02:49,480 that was filmed mostly in that area by 46 00:02:56,170 --> 00:02:53,660 our company and my producing partner and 47 00:02:59,140 --> 00:02:56,180 the film's director Bruce Burgess now 48 00:03:00,130 --> 00:02:59,150 Bruce and I plan to be there that first 49 00:03:03,729 --> 00:03:00,140 week in May 50 00:03:05,890 --> 00:03:03,739 and we're going to in commemoration of 51 00:03:08,590 --> 00:03:05,900 the 10th anniversary of bloodline have a 52 00:03:10,810 --> 00:03:08,600 screening there and we're going to 53 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:10,820 dedicate that screening of course to our 54 00:03:16,119 --> 00:03:13,489 beloved Edward Flaherty who passed away 55 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:16,129 just a couple months back he was our 56 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:19,040 Paris producer on the film and my dear 57 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:20,810 dear dear brother and for 58 00:03:27,610 --> 00:03:24,110 for many many years so we're going to be 59 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:27,620 dedicating that screening to him but we 60 00:03:31,090 --> 00:03:29,390 have and then Bruce I'll be doing a 61 00:03:32,350 --> 00:03:31,100 question and answer afterwards and we're 62 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:32,360 going to answer all the questions that 63 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:36,230 we can about our investigation that we 64 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:38,000 conducted over about a five-year period 65 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:41,090 about the filming of blood line about 66 00:03:47,650 --> 00:03:43,760 the subsequent hoax that became apparent 67 00:03:50,110 --> 00:03:47,660 later on and the fallout from all that 68 00:03:51,790 --> 00:03:50,120 so hopefully there'll be some 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:51,800 interesting information that we can 70 00:03:57,550 --> 00:03:54,410 share and we might even learn something 71 00:04:00,150 --> 00:03:57,560 from anyone that might be there but 72 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:00,160 without further ado I wanna meant 73 00:04:06,190 --> 00:04:03,890 introduce my guest tonight he is I like 74 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:06,200 to call him the guardian of the castle 75 00:04:12,580 --> 00:04:09,590 he is writer and filmmaker Richard 76 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:12,590 Stanley and he lives in months ago for 77 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:14,510 the moment we might talk a little bit 78 00:04:22,810 --> 00:04:19,250 about that at some point but Richard is 79 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:22,820 is also has an amazing film that he 80 00:04:27,940 --> 00:04:25,850 produced all completely in that area and 81 00:04:31,659 --> 00:04:27,950 it is called low turmond 82 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:31,669 or the Otherworld and I've seen it but I 83 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:34,490 just reordered it today on blu-ray off 84 00:04:41,380 --> 00:04:38,090 Amazon because I had people had been 85 00:04:44,409 --> 00:04:41,390 asking about it and it reminded me and I 86 00:04:46,270 --> 00:04:44,419 wanted to see it again and I didn't have 87 00:04:48,340 --> 00:04:46,280 my own copy so I ordered it today and I 88 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:48,350 would encourage you all to have a look 89 00:04:55,779 --> 00:04:53,000 at it it's very very interesting and it 90 00:04:57,940 --> 00:04:55,789 sort of I like it because it sort of 91 00:05:01,150 --> 00:04:57,950 plays off the the lightness and the 92 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:01,160 darkness and the energy play in the area 93 00:05:07,060 --> 00:05:03,020 and there certainly is that it's it's 94 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:07,070 definitely light and shadow and with 95 00:05:12,610 --> 00:05:11,390 that Richard welcome to the show good 96 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:12,620 pleasure being back with you my name 97 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:15,200 well it's wonderful to hear your voice 98 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:17,780 again and I can't wait to see you again 99 00:05:24,730 --> 00:05:20,810 in May that's going to be awesome 100 00:05:27,700 --> 00:05:24,740 and oh by the way many of you know that 101 00:05:31,330 --> 00:05:27,710 Richard is stationed in Montsegur and is 102 00:05:33,810 --> 00:05:31,340 is the I don't know if he's self 103 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:33,820 appointed or if he's been appointed but 104 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:36,430 is the guardian of the POG the guardian 105 00:05:42,780 --> 00:05:40,510 of the castle and he often takes people 106 00:05:44,130 --> 00:05:42,790 up the POG now Richard I don't know if 107 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:44,140 you're going to be there in May if 108 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:46,030 you're going to be available to be 109 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:49,360 taking people around but if that's the 110 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:51,430 case let us know and we'll definitely 111 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:52,810 send people your way 112 00:05:58,860 --> 00:05:56,020 I certainly hope to be there in it I 113 00:06:00,060 --> 00:05:58,870 mean always weather dependence but it 114 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:00,070 looks like it's going to be I'm up here 115 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:04,390 yes it does it does I hope it's not too 116 00:06:08,610 --> 00:06:06,250 hot by that time it's you know the first 117 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:08,620 week of May so maybe it won't be maybe 118 00:06:12,780 --> 00:06:10,180 it won't be too bad I've been over in 119 00:06:17,790 --> 00:06:12,790 June and it's been pretty warm but still 120 00:06:21,270 --> 00:06:17,800 tolerable now you know for those who may 121 00:06:23,820 --> 00:06:21,280 not know the story of months ago or what 122 00:06:27,780 --> 00:06:23,830 months ago is sort of most most known 123 00:06:31,380 --> 00:06:27,790 for is a siege that happened in the year 124 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:31,390 1244 it was a Cathar fortress the 125 00:06:36,890 --> 00:06:33,370 Cathars were considered heretics by the 126 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:36,900 Roman Church and during the Inquisition 127 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:40,780 the armies ultimately breached the 128 00:06:48,630 --> 00:06:45,340 castle wall and after an agreement made 129 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:48,640 with the Cathars to come down a few days 130 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:51,400 later they marched the Cathars down to 131 00:06:56,130 --> 00:06:53,680 the metal below where they marched onto 132 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:56,140 the fires and were burned to death 133 00:07:02,430 --> 00:06:58,810 because they would not renounce their 134 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:02,440 own faith and this place over the 135 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:05,440 centuries has become a pilgrimage place 136 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:08,830 for people to go and it's it's a place 137 00:07:16,110 --> 00:07:13,270 of great veneration and I remember you 138 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:16,120 know all my life and this is a little a 139 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:18,400 little bit of a side note I've been 140 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:20,560 drawn to that area of southwest France 141 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:22,920 I've always been fascinated with France 142 00:07:28,530 --> 00:07:25,930 but it was odd that it was never Paris 143 00:07:32,310 --> 00:07:28,540 you know it was always that area and and 144 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:32,320 I never really knew why and in the early 145 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:34,150 80s of course I read Holy Blood Holy 146 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:36,430 Grail by the authors agent Lee and 147 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:41,610 Lincoln and I got my first sort of 148 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:44,740 introduction to that area and to the 149 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:47,110 Cathars in that area in that 150 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:49,090 was what really struck me not so much 151 00:07:53,850 --> 00:07:51,220 the run the Chateau mystery that they 152 00:07:56,340 --> 00:07:53,860 talked about in the book but the Cathars 153 00:07:59,820 --> 00:07:56,350 it struck some kind of familiar note 154 00:08:02,130 --> 00:07:59,830 with me and then later by a couple years 155 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:02,140 when I started attending a gnostic 156 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:05,950 church here in los angeles we learned 157 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:08,710 all about the Cathars and i just became 158 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:11,050 so drawn to Montsegur 159 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:14,370 and the first time i was able to travel 160 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:17,500 to europe in my life 161 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:21,490 was in the year 2004 and the first 162 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:24,130 opportunity i got to travel was on it 163 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:27,490 was basically a business trip but it was 164 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:30,610 a trip to South West France to meet up 165 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:32,590 with Michael Baigent one of the authors 166 00:08:37,530 --> 00:08:35,370 of Holy Blood Holy Grail and my 167 00:08:42,540 --> 00:08:37,540 producing partner at that time Bruce 168 00:08:44,940 --> 00:08:42,550 Burgess and we went and we the three of 169 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:44,950 us climbed the POG together I thought I 170 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:47,020 would never make it to the top I was so 171 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:49,450 proud of myself you know and then I saw 172 00:08:53,490 --> 00:08:51,880 these little old ladies bounding up 173 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:53,500 there were 80 years old with their 174 00:08:57,780 --> 00:08:55,210 staffs and then I felt completely 175 00:09:01,680 --> 00:08:57,790 humiliated I was huffing and puffing and 176 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:01,690 red and sweaty but I had an amazing 177 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:05,860 reaction when I was up there we went out 178 00:09:10,740 --> 00:09:09,040 went through the castle Richard and out 179 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:10,750 the other side and we were sitting down 180 00:09:15,810 --> 00:09:13,060 and we've taken some bread and cheese 181 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:15,820 and some water with us and we were 182 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:18,940 sitting down and having some cheese and 183 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:21,490 bread and I just started to cry 184 00:09:28,650 --> 00:09:25,090 I couldn't stop up myself and it was 185 00:09:30,330 --> 00:09:28,660 sobbing and crying and and and Michael 186 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:30,340 and Bruce kept saying what's wrong and I 187 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:33,790 was going I don't know because it was it 188 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:37,240 was a very strange thing I felt I didn't 189 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:41,680 feel sad or bad it's just my body was 190 00:09:46,950 --> 00:09:44,620 having this reaction I didn't feel the 191 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:46,960 emotion behind it at the time I just 192 00:09:53,970 --> 00:09:49,890 couldn't quit crying and that was my 193 00:09:56,250 --> 00:09:53,980 first experience at Montsegur and I'll 194 00:09:58,470 --> 00:09:56,260 never forget in fact I'm sitting right 195 00:10:00,670 --> 00:09:58,480 in front of photographs hanging on the 196 00:10:05,290 --> 00:10:00,680 wall of us on that 197 00:10:07,540 --> 00:10:05,300 day at the top of Mont Segur and I 198 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:07,550 I know that you know it's it's sort of 199 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:11,110 your life's passion and you feel a real 200 00:10:19,810 --> 00:10:16,700 obligation to that area can you tell me 201 00:10:21,790 --> 00:10:19,820 how it was that you first were 202 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:21,800 introduced to Montsegur how did you 203 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:25,910 first find yourself there well my 204 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:27,649 experience was very similar to your and 205 00:10:32,170 --> 00:10:30,170 Rene and that I also came to the South 206 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:32,180 initially because of Holy Blood and the 207 00:10:38,380 --> 00:10:34,700 Holy Grail and the Brenda Chateau 208 00:10:41,410 --> 00:10:38,390 mystery and the introduced me to the 209 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:41,420 idea of the Cathars throughout there 210 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:44,450 were odd images showing up photographs 211 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:47,330 and books that I hadn't read often 212 00:10:52,690 --> 00:10:49,910 showing warrior woman holding swords or 213 00:10:55,660 --> 00:10:52,700 of course our Tehran and the Nazis 214 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:55,670 searching for the Holy Grail and white 215 00:10:58,269 --> 00:10:56,810 at the beginning I remember thinking 216 00:11:00,970 --> 00:10:58,279 what has this got to do with Brenda 217 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:00,980 Chateau or bérenger saunière and and how 218 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:03,170 did with some this red Sonia character 219 00:11:07,449 --> 00:11:05,690 with the sword come into the story and I 220 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:07,459 just were just where's the Nazis but 221 00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:10,250 interest and that drew me two months ago 222 00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:15,020 and I don't think I didn't so much fall 223 00:11:18,790 --> 00:11:16,640 down on my knees and start crying the 224 00:11:20,829 --> 00:11:18,800 first time because I was on my very 225 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:20,839 first trip out I was caught in an 226 00:11:27,250 --> 00:11:23,360 electrical storm up there a massive um 227 00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:27,260 lightning storm back in 1990 so I was 228 00:11:35,199 --> 00:11:29,800 kind of more on my hands and knees um I 229 00:11:39,579 --> 00:11:35,209 guess I'm crawling in terror of yeah 230 00:11:41,199 --> 00:11:39,589 abject medieval fear let's kind of 231 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:41,209 slapped me around hard enough to start 232 00:11:46,569 --> 00:11:44,450 respecting the bog the bogs what we call 233 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:46,579 it because it's an Occitan word for 234 00:11:50,769 --> 00:11:48,470 something that's bigger than the hill 235 00:11:52,269 --> 00:11:50,779 but smaller than the mountain that's 236 00:11:56,019 --> 00:11:52,279 right that's right 237 00:11:57,610 --> 00:11:56,029 and what is the height of the POG I know 238 00:12:03,449 --> 00:11:57,620 it's about but isn't it like 239 00:12:06,579 --> 00:12:03,459 three-quarters of a mile or you know how 240 00:12:08,290 --> 00:12:06,589 about a thousand meters I think well 241 00:12:11,050 --> 00:12:08,300 that seemed like forever to me when I 242 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:11,060 was climbing it I'll tell you but it was 243 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:14,450 a very rewarding a rewarding climb in 244 00:12:20,350 --> 00:12:16,880 and as I said I was huffing and puffing 245 00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:20,360 you know getting maybe 3/4 of the way up 246 00:12:24,790 --> 00:12:22,639 feeling quite smug you know and proud of 247 00:12:28,329 --> 00:12:24,800 myself because I didn't think I could do 248 00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:28,339 it and I was quite a bit heavier than 249 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:31,160 that I am now and so I was sort of you 250 00:12:35,019 --> 00:12:33,110 know like dragging myself up and then 251 00:12:38,199 --> 00:12:35,029 you know these ladies were coming down 252 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:38,209 and they had to be in their late 70s 253 00:12:44,410 --> 00:12:41,930 early 80s you know what their sticks 254 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:44,420 their walking sticks and they were you 255 00:12:51,939 --> 00:12:50,000 know yelling at me bonkers you know and 256 00:12:54,550 --> 00:12:51,949 I was like oh my goodness and they're 257 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:54,560 just hopping around and with just full 258 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:56,089 of energy and they had already made the 259 00:13:01,269 --> 00:12:58,250 climb so I was like oh boy I was put in 260 00:13:04,780 --> 00:13:01,279 my place that day but yeah that reaction 261 00:13:07,090 --> 00:13:04,790 that I had was odd to me I think if I'd 262 00:13:08,530 --> 00:13:07,100 had the emotion along with it then I 263 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:08,540 would have thought oh you know I'm 264 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:10,630 having a memory or something like that 265 00:13:19,389 --> 00:13:15,889 but it was just my body absolutely doing 266 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:19,399 acting on its own you know my remarkably 267 00:13:24,430 --> 00:13:22,850 common reaction to really what's never 268 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:24,440 HAP so you've heard stories from other 269 00:13:31,660 --> 00:13:27,110 folks who've I'm also reported crying 270 00:13:33,130 --> 00:13:31,670 uncontrollably or feeling the need to go 271 00:13:35,050 --> 00:13:33,140 pulling to their knees and weeping when 272 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:35,060 they get to the top of the mountain or 273 00:13:39,189 --> 00:13:37,130 to the tower room that does seem to be 274 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:39,199 one of the the boxes that ticked fairly 275 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:42,470 regularly that's really wild 276 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:44,630 now you've spent so much time up there 277 00:13:50,410 --> 00:13:46,760 probably more than anybody I know 278 00:13:52,030 --> 00:13:50,420 and I know you know you've gone up at 279 00:13:55,710 --> 00:13:52,040 night you've filmed up there at night 280 00:13:58,990 --> 00:13:55,720 and you've had some strange occurrences 281 00:14:01,780 --> 00:13:59,000 at night when you've been up there more 282 00:14:05,410 --> 00:14:01,790 than once so can you talk a little bit 283 00:14:09,970 --> 00:14:05,420 about some of the activity up there that 284 00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:09,980 you've experienced well it's one of the 285 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:11,839 privileges of living here of course I'm 286 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:14,930 really very selfish and by living in 287 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:16,550 months ago I get to go up there anytime 288 00:14:22,809 --> 00:14:19,040 I like and always have access to the 289 00:14:25,329 --> 00:14:22,819 place when Chum and yes certainly very 290 00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:25,339 very busy I think maybe the 0 at night 291 00:14:27,970 --> 00:14:27,440 sometimes just because there's no I'm 292 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:27,980 you 293 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:31,850 activity on the mountain so um when when 294 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:34,010 there's too many people around the place 295 00:14:39,940 --> 00:14:36,800 becomes quantum blocks that anybody 296 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:39,950 exists in like one channel of 297 00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:42,050 consciousness that when no one's around 298 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:45,680 that gets there anything it likes that's 299 00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,870 of nice all the animals come out you've 300 00:14:52,690 --> 00:14:49,760 got a lot of bats and some of you get 301 00:14:55,690 --> 00:14:52,700 some glow worms which give off a kind of 302 00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:55,700 thumb URI green photoluminescence 303 00:15:01,960 --> 00:14:57,920 and we've also got a very healthy owl 304 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:01,970 population and in particular I'm a big 305 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:03,530 white owl that's been living up at the 306 00:15:08,380 --> 00:15:06,050 castle and I've seen a few times over 307 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:08,390 the last few summers the thumb although 308 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:10,130 I know it's an animal every time I see 309 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:13,990 it it feels to me like the the rel 310 00:15:19,390 --> 00:15:16,610 embodiment of magic and such an 311 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:19,400 extraordinary creature learnt just when 312 00:15:25,510 --> 00:15:22,730 nature is going for it like gutters its 313 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:25,520 kind of edges over into the world of the 314 00:15:29,770 --> 00:15:27,520 supernatural 315 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:29,780 absolutely and you've had some 316 00:15:38,650 --> 00:15:35,990 supernatural experiences up there yes be 317 00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:38,660 told do you feel like sharing some of 318 00:15:45,970 --> 00:15:43,820 that wants a tricky thing but that's of 319 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:45,980 course the reason I moved here and that 320 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:50,110 up two months ago coming into my life I 321 00:15:55,270 --> 00:15:53,330 managed to remain a semi skeptic and 322 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:55,280 stay on the fence like most people doing 323 00:15:59,560 --> 00:15:58,250 as well and some of the things I've seen 324 00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:59,570 up there and some of the events that 325 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:00,320 happened here 326 00:16:07,690 --> 00:16:04,330 finally pushed me over and to having to 327 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:07,700 accept the reality of the powers of the 328 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:10,010 supernatural or at least of some force 329 00:16:14,010 --> 00:16:12,650 which is far greater and more complex 330 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:14,020 than myself 331 00:16:23,470 --> 00:16:20,170 now you often refer to the white lady 332 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:23,480 can you tell me who is the white lady to 333 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:27,530 you well here in the mountains there's a 334 00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:30,710 history of white lady apparitions the 335 00:16:36,460 --> 00:16:32,920 dumb blonde stop her now 336 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:36,470 she's reported time and again and many 337 00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:38,090 of the villagers around here not just 338 00:16:41,950 --> 00:16:40,480 months ago but we get stories from 339 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:41,960 neighboring towns 340 00:16:47,020 --> 00:16:44,750 Lester and sell of course we're not too 341 00:16:48,970 --> 00:16:47,030 far from Lord and I think since the 342 00:16:52,330 --> 00:16:48,980 coming of Christianity these apparitions 343 00:16:55,390 --> 00:16:52,340 have been explained as manifestations of 344 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:55,400 the Blessed Virgin Mary or herring maybe 345 00:16:59,650 --> 00:16:58,130 maybe Mary Magdalene that evidence would 346 00:17:02,620 --> 00:16:59,660 suggest that it's been going on since 347 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:02,630 forever I mean the earliest forms of 348 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:05,860 human art the first 349 00:17:12,010 --> 00:17:09,230 cro-magnon carvings the Neolithic 350 00:17:15,070 --> 00:17:12,020 remains are all I'm carvings of mother 351 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:15,080 goddesses and white ladies usually 352 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:18,589 carved from horse's teeth or um mammoth 353 00:17:23,530 --> 00:17:20,650 tusks from the end of the last ice age 354 00:17:26,770 --> 00:17:23,540 and I think whatever that for says it's 355 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:26,780 female and she's been here a long time 356 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:32,770 and at the lunar force equated with the 357 00:17:38,890 --> 00:17:36,290 idea I can take lunar divinity Bella 358 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:38,900 sama who is kind of the counterpart of 359 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:41,570 the Sun Bella nos was the UM the 360 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:45,340 patriarchal Sun God and um here there's 361 00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:47,740 always been a very very strong 362 00:17:55,150 --> 00:17:53,060 matriarchal element and in the 13th 363 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:55,160 century this manifested itself in the 364 00:18:00,520 --> 00:17:58,250 form of s commander fois the High 365 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:00,530 Priestess of the Cathars mm-hmm but also 366 00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,210 to other woman bearing the same name 367 00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:05,200 they were in fact yes we asked Imams who 368 00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:08,540 are all historic passengers yet somehow 369 00:18:14,890 --> 00:18:11,840 I'm conformed to Robert Graves of idea 370 00:18:19,180 --> 00:18:14,900 of the threefold goddess she is kind of 371 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:19,190 our very own monster gorian mom transy 372 00:18:26,770 --> 00:18:23,690 all Rams free fall guardian and she is 373 00:18:29,770 --> 00:18:26,780 the rail guardian of the mountain not 374 00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,780 myself and I feel that um there's been 375 00:18:34,570 --> 00:18:31,760 something living in this place or energy 376 00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:34,580 inherent in this land something akin to 377 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:37,820 the Lady of the lake from the etherion 378 00:18:45,220 --> 00:18:40,370 with the UM the thing that begats 379 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:45,230 kingship which is um yes called there 380 00:18:52,270 --> 00:18:47,930 somehow on some channel or some level 381 00:18:55,810 --> 00:18:52,280 and it seems also to me that the 382 00:18:59,950 --> 00:18:55,820 mountain almost exists in 383 00:19:05,290 --> 00:18:59,960 multiple worlds or times once like it's 384 00:19:08,620 --> 00:19:05,300 somehow an access point to other levels 385 00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,630 of consciousness a place where it's 386 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:11,120 possible for a normal person to to raise 387 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:14,330 themselves up and briefly um maybe touch 388 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:17,500 the realm of thirst 389 00:19:23,140 --> 00:19:20,630 well you know it certainly is a special 390 00:19:24,210 --> 00:19:23,150 place and you know I think everyone who 391 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:24,220 goes there 392 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:28,970 senses that and there's a lot going on 393 00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:31,240 there right now that's sort of putting 394 00:19:38,590 --> 00:19:34,340 things in a little bit of danger I know 395 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:38,600 there's some commercial people some 396 00:19:46,330 --> 00:19:41,870 corporate people that are trying to sort 397 00:19:48,610 --> 00:19:46,340 of turn it into an attraction which is I 398 00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:48,620 was thinking about it again yesterday 399 00:19:53,890 --> 00:19:51,140 and about how fad that is and it's 400 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:53,900 always been so wonderful because you 401 00:19:58,750 --> 00:19:56,210 just go when you just ascend on your own 402 00:20:03,180 --> 00:19:58,760 you know you don't it you can go up 403 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,190 there by yourself it's no big deal and 404 00:20:08,890 --> 00:20:05,840 it's just I can't imagine what the 405 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:08,900 experience how it's going to change once 406 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:11,770 you have all kinds of money-making 407 00:20:16,890 --> 00:20:14,390 operations going on around there is 408 00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:16,900 there an update on that 409 00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,580 yeah it's complex certainly living up 410 00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:21,200 here in the mountains was never a quiet 411 00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:24,200 moment I mean there has been a long 412 00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:28,420 tough all over the future of the console 413 00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:31,820 at the moment it's looking fairly 414 00:20:38,650 --> 00:20:35,390 healthy and that the main part of the 415 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:38,660 battle has been to ensure that people 416 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:40,690 can access the mountain at all times 417 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:45,250 there should not be a wall or a fence or 418 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:47,690 restricted hours but from when she can't 419 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:50,450 gain access to the console because I 420 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:52,190 think people should have the right to be 421 00:20:57,220 --> 00:20:53,660 up there under the full moon and to be 422 00:20:58,510 --> 00:20:57,230 up there at sunrise or a sunset to be 423 00:21:00,250 --> 00:20:58,520 able to experience the place in their 424 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:00,260 own terms which is something which has 425 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:02,570 been taken away at home so many other 426 00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:05,330 ancient sites like Stonehenge or um or 427 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:07,700 Newgrange where you simply don't have 428 00:21:12,019 --> 00:21:09,090 the access 429 00:21:14,889 --> 00:21:12,029 so keeping the summative months ago 430 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:14,899 three years being I guess the 431 00:21:21,549 --> 00:21:17,870 fundamental area over the years 432 00:21:24,139 --> 00:21:21,559 I'm restricted some we've been very 433 00:21:26,509 --> 00:21:24,149 committed to try and stop the 434 00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,519 electrification of the mountain we don't 435 00:21:35,899 --> 00:21:28,620 want electricity up there we don't want 436 00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,909 CCTV or or flood lighting all right were 437 00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,159 you able to get that stopped on on the 438 00:21:44,409 --> 00:21:40,559 grounds of the endangered animals up 439 00:21:47,149 --> 00:21:44,419 there or yeah that was a part of us 440 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:47,159 because I multiply you can't argue that 441 00:21:51,139 --> 00:21:49,529 some pumping hundreds of thousands of 442 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:51,149 volts is the place is going to affect 443 00:22:00,049 --> 00:21:57,289 the the like geo telluric energy or the 444 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:00,059 magnetic field so we had to argue that 445 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:02,129 some it would of course drive away the 446 00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:05,490 owl population and affect the toads some 447 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:09,659 salamanders and um yeah the Permian 448 00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:11,610 long-eared bat switch like the giant 449 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:14,070 toad is an endangered species who were 450 00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:18,240 able to yeah mount a um an ecological 451 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:19,740 arguments against flood lighting as well 452 00:22:26,629 --> 00:22:22,950 as a spiritual one and at the moment 453 00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,639 looking quite good in full time being at 454 00:22:30,820 --> 00:22:28,799 least I think the council is going to 455 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:30,830 remain pretty much untouched 456 00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:36,090 um lanius leaders yeah that was a big 457 00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:37,740 battle about two years ago but I think 458 00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:39,809 now settled down to a point where um 459 00:22:49,239 --> 00:22:43,919 whatever happens the mountain itself and 460 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,369 don't think that's widely known I'm so 461 00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:54,480 glad to hear that I did not know that I 462 00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:56,700 didn't know that that kind of progress 463 00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:58,980 had been made and thank you so much for 464 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:00,360 your work in that area I know you've 465 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:03,809 done a lot you know that yeah we're not 466 00:23:09,379 --> 00:23:06,169 gonna we're not got a different problem 467 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:09,389 but what what probably having kind of 468 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:11,730 not so much gone out the door but at 469 00:23:18,019 --> 00:23:15,210 least the situation has been stabilized 470 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:18,029 I'm not too concerned at the moment 471 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:19,860 about project months ago and the plant 472 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:22,860 team partners we we have had 473 00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:27,140 for some a mining consortium which has 474 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:30,380 started to claim territory in the area 475 00:23:37,810 --> 00:23:34,799 and it's a little bit um more obscure 476 00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:37,820 but in fact um friend months ago is a 477 00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:42,630 much higher mountain which is a massive 478 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:44,760 known collectively as the throne of the 479 00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,450 gods and some three big mountains the 480 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:50,700 mountains all around me still Iraq me 481 00:23:56,030 --> 00:23:53,400 some the peak descent patella me when 482 00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:56,040 she's mythologically known as the 483 00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,679 mountain of the Transfiguration that's 484 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:01,200 the mountain that some element the High 485 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:02,940 Priestesses meant to have climbed when 486 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:05,610 she was transfigured because the story 487 00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:08,790 is that there s clementa for never died 488 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:12,179 but past alive into the kingdom of 489 00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:16,290 heaven like um Elijah or Christ the 490 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:18,059 place where she was transfigured into 491 00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:20,010 the Dove the symbol of the cup of our 492 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:23,220 faces of some mountain behind months ago 493 00:24:31,810 --> 00:24:26,130 of the day that's what some other around 494 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:31,820 refers to the couple and there's a 495 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:34,290 mining consortium that called the 496 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:36,690 Emirates group there were international 497 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:39,929 consortium of links to Rio Tinto who 498 00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:43,860 have found a newly detected cap on 499 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:47,790 mineral element called Emrys talc in the 500 00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:50,570 table or this is a form of talcum powder 501 00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:54,870 ironically used in beauty products in 502 00:25:00,919 --> 00:24:58,919 creams for skin rejuvenation and they've 503 00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,929 been eating their way through the 504 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,360 mountain from the other side of the 505 00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:06,240 valley from the side of the areas so 506 00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:08,340 unfortunately in the last 12 months have 507 00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:11,880 managed to claim land which was formerly 508 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:15,000 designated as some regional park lands 509 00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:18,600 and have moved around on so um as the 510 00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:21,059 months ago Valley side of the mountain 511 00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,750 Anna sewed their way towards the 512 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:26,640 headwaters of the river for inches 513 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,570 causing me a degree of concern and there 514 00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:35,700 partially because yeah the whole area 515 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:36,659 was originally going to 516 00:25:43,330 --> 00:25:39,929 be shortlisted as a UNESCO World 517 00:25:46,639 --> 00:25:43,340 Heritage Site in the last 12 months 518 00:25:48,349 --> 00:25:46,649 UNESCO has effectively gone bankrupt or 519 00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:48,359 at least is not in the position anymore 520 00:25:56,239 --> 00:25:51,840 to be able to protect world heritage 521 00:25:58,269 --> 00:25:56,249 sites so um the yeah the commune of 522 00:26:00,440 --> 00:25:58,279 months ago hasn't been able to pin down 523 00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,450 control of all of the land that they 524 00:26:06,739 --> 00:26:02,580 originally hoped would be part of the 525 00:26:09,229 --> 00:26:06,749 park as a result some of the mountain 526 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:09,239 opponents of the handle yeah of the 527 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:13,320 emili´s group so um who else doing that 528 00:26:20,719 --> 00:26:18,450 now technically the commune of months 529 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:20,729 ago bought all of the land as far as the 530 00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:22,769 UH the summits of the surrounding 531 00:26:28,129 --> 00:26:26,220 mountains a lie cement some unfortunate 532 00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:28,139 and actually buy it with real money they 533 00:26:31,659 --> 00:26:30,059 loaned the money and they were hoping 534 00:26:34,450 --> 00:26:31,669 that they would get the money back from 535 00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:34,460 UNESCO or from the French government 536 00:26:42,259 --> 00:26:38,519 which haven't happened to offset their 537 00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:42,269 depths I am gave up part of the pig 538 00:26:48,249 --> 00:26:45,179 dissent by telling me and you know 539 00:26:50,749 --> 00:26:48,259 seated it through the amorous group or 540 00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:50,759 pulverizing the mountain forum to 541 00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:55,080 extract some of some talcum powder the 542 00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:56,940 process means that they essentially have 543 00:27:05,629 --> 00:27:01,080 to turn the mountain to dust literally 544 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:05,639 um yeah pulverizing is the process also 545 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:08,849 could release radon which is a 546 00:27:17,089 --> 00:27:14,129 radioactive gas some forms of the UM the 547 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:17,099 long fiber talc which is something 548 00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,450 called Emrys h arg talc also compounded 549 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:24,799 of asbestos which is of the carcinogens 550 00:27:31,999 --> 00:27:30,090 um there's been a recent development in 551 00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:32,009 the months ago siege daria there's 552 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:35,700 always some form of materialism the 553 00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:40,950 Cathar rex mundi threatening to um they 554 00:27:46,879 --> 00:27:45,299 eat the mountain or the valley I am more 555 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,889 concerned with the immersed groups and I 556 00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:49,360 am with the theme-park people so 557 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:52,470 basically because of finances has the 558 00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:55,570 commune had to cut a deal with the 559 00:28:01,440 --> 00:27:57,480 immersed group is that what it is 560 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,450 yeah the ironically the we have our very 561 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:04,000 own Trump here in months ago who is a 562 00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:06,730 former French aerospace tycoon there 563 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:07,150 Robert 564 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:11,130 phenom yeah stops finance mister finance 565 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,160 yeah it's ready crazy he's a former 566 00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:17,200 aerospace type Curtis come out of the 567 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:21,059 solution aerospace industry have some 568 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:23,290 taken over our local government 569 00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:26,890 those are Mary Aaron months ago at some 570 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,000 point about some two years ago Monty 571 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:34,480 announced the commune did a deal with 572 00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:36,760 Emrys group which nobody knew about 573 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:40,030 until last summer when I started to see 574 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,160 lights moving on the mountains and then 575 00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:44,320 we saw that people were cutting a road 576 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:47,980 around from me the area side of the 577 00:28:52,289 --> 00:28:50,980 valley into the valley of months ago at 578 00:28:54,659 --> 00:28:52,299 which point we started asking questions 579 00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:54,669 about how does it happened and what was 580 00:28:59,549 --> 00:28:55,799 going on 581 00:29:01,409 --> 00:28:59,559 yeah that's a I'm a chunk of the area 582 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:01,419 from the designations of the regional 583 00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:05,410 park up in them now do you think this 584 00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:09,640 Monsieur financed do you think that his 585 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:13,270 interests are purely commercial are 586 00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:16,270 capitalistic or is something more 587 00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:21,580 sinister that you might affect well 588 00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:23,500 depends whether you believe in the 589 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Cathar notion of rex mundi of the god of 590 00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:30,610 the material world the sense that some 591 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:32,830 the mountain the park is constantly 592 00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:35,620 being besieged by I am the forces of 593 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:38,280 materialism and in the past and 594 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:43,630 patriarchy in the past that appears in 595 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:44,890 the form of the Crusaders and the 596 00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:47,970 Inquisition and then the nudges we had 597 00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:53,919 Panzer tanks here in 1944 yeah now the 598 00:29:58,049 --> 00:29:55,960 now materialism just seems to take on a 599 00:30:02,909 --> 00:29:58,059 different aspect with the Emirates group 600 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:02,919 it's a perfect storm of greed and 601 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:03,370 banette 602 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:05,710 it's also a beauty product and that 603 00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:07,960 seems to me to be how the devil or um 604 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:10,360 uncle Rex of the refer to rex mundi 605 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:12,970 likes to work and I don't know if people 606 00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:15,910 even know that they're um they're human 607 00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:18,070 agents of that force it could be that 608 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,960 they're that folk completely unwittingly 609 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,000 go about doing what they're doing but um 610 00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:25,600 the total effect of it is it will 611 00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,420 potentially reduce a big chunk of the 612 00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:30,720 support dust 613 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:35,220 well possibly radioactive dust about 614 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:39,130 that's that's terrible I I wasn't fully 615 00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:41,590 aware of that problem I knew there was 616 00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:43,300 the mining situation but I didn't 617 00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:46,120 realize how extensive it was and how 618 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:48,760 dangerous it was to the landscape there 619 00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:53,290 that's not good not good part of the 620 00:30:56,910 --> 00:30:54,760 reason why it's so obscure it's because 621 00:30:59,100 --> 00:30:56,920 nobody ever goes there it's much higher 622 00:31:02,340 --> 00:30:59,110 than months ago it's like 3,000 meters 623 00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:02,350 up so it's beyond the distance that not 624 00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:05,260 regular tourists or most Ramblers are 625 00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:09,460 prepared to actually go um yeah it's 626 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,020 been a little off the radar as a result 627 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:14,080 it really has it really has 628 00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:16,840 I mean I were I remember the the peak 629 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:19,390 that you're talking about but I had no 630 00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,650 idea about the escolar Mon story of her 631 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:25,600 ascending from that peak that's pretty 632 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:26,490 amazing 633 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:30,610 now you know you often refer to this 634 00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:35,170 area as the zone it tell me what are the 635 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:39,640 parameters of the zone I won't feel to 636 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:42,880 me that is an area rubella 150 M square 637 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:46,020 kilometers which you can roughly say are 638 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:49,890 enclosed by monster go on the side and 639 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:52,530 yeah render chateau 640 00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:55,210 hi it's Jamie progressives number one 641 00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:56,950 number two employee leave a message at 642 00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:59,530 that hey Jamie it's me and Jamie this is 643 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:01,480 your daily pep talk I know it's been 644 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:03,070 rough going ever since people found out 645 00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,930 about your acapella group mad harmony 646 00:32:08,670 --> 00:32:07,360 but you will bounce back I mean you're 647 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:08,680 the guy always helping people find 648 00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:09,910 coverage options with the name your 649 00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:11,800 price tool it should be you giving me 650 00:32:15,779 --> 00:32:14,020 the pep talk now get out there hit that 651 00:32:18,869 --> 00:32:15,789 high note and take mad harmony 652 00:32:20,849 --> 00:32:18,879 all the way to Nationals this year sorry 653 00:32:22,109 --> 00:32:20,859 the pitchy regressive casualty insurance 654 00:32:23,729 --> 00:32:22,119 company and affiliates pricing coverage 655 00:32:26,749 --> 00:32:23,739 module limited by state law Tom Booker 656 00:32:30,539 --> 00:32:26,759 rush at the other end of the pentagram 657 00:32:34,289 --> 00:32:30,549 yep and you can already tell when you 658 00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:34,299 drive into it it's difficult to to fully 659 00:32:38,969 --> 00:32:36,220 box and map but you can always tell when 660 00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,979 you're that's really the straight and 661 00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,039 narrow the real world behind and you've 662 00:32:45,419 --> 00:32:43,840 you've sort of slipped sideways it's 663 00:32:46,739 --> 00:32:45,429 whatever it is I think it happens to you 664 00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,749 a little bit after you come out of 665 00:32:52,289 --> 00:32:48,399 quizzer and you start to come up the 666 00:32:55,169 --> 00:32:52,299 rent letter you know I've tried to 667 00:32:59,369 --> 00:32:55,179 explain that feeling to people who've 668 00:33:02,430 --> 00:32:59,379 not been there and it seems like not 669 00:33:04,859 --> 00:33:02,440 only do you slip into the zone but 670 00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:04,869 within the zone it seems like you slip 671 00:33:11,399 --> 00:33:08,590 in and out of certain areas that feel 672 00:33:11,969 --> 00:33:11,409 different and sometimes they feel 673 00:33:17,159 --> 00:33:11,979 different 674 00:33:20,339 --> 00:33:17,169 one day than the next there seems to be 675 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:20,349 a lot of energy play going on around 676 00:33:25,609 --> 00:33:22,330 there I know the telluric energy is very 677 00:33:30,659 --> 00:33:25,619 very strong there in fact the old mayor 678 00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:30,669 with Francois jean-francois boulier has 679 00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,489 told us when we were we weren't even 680 00:33:38,609 --> 00:33:35,580 filming blood pooling yet we were 681 00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,619 researching and he told us he said the 682 00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,200 real secret to run the Chateau was not 683 00:33:47,789 --> 00:33:44,080 buried treasure it's tell uric energy 684 00:33:52,169 --> 00:33:47,799 and at the time I kind of brushed it as 685 00:33:54,989 --> 00:33:52,179 oh yeah and I kind of brushed it aside 686 00:33:58,830 --> 00:33:54,999 especially coming from him I didn't pay 687 00:34:00,899 --> 00:33:58,840 that much attention and then but later 688 00:34:02,969 --> 00:34:00,909 you know I began to really start 689 00:34:06,749 --> 00:34:02,979 thinking you know maybe he was really on 690 00:34:08,369 --> 00:34:06,759 to something here yeah I just love any 691 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:08,379 sentence that starts with the rail 692 00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:09,730 secret of rennes-le-château 693 00:34:19,169 --> 00:34:17,470 yeah if X is X Joe and the boy everybody 694 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:19,179 extraordinary statements have come to be 695 00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:26,290 that way that's right but you know is it 696 00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:28,540 do you think that the zone has something 697 00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:29,440 to do 698 00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:31,870 the with the telluric energy of the land 699 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:34,420 what do you think it is what what 700 00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:38,830 creates the boundaries I'm really hard 701 00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,840 to say there's a million possible 702 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:42,240 explanations 703 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:45,510 none of them truly add up I mean 704 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:48,310 certainly there's a there's a lot of 705 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:51,550 energy going on here why it's hard to 706 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:55,090 say I'm there's some geothermal volcanic 707 00:35:01,710 --> 00:34:58,330 activity beneath be fresh and you get 708 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:01,720 the UM the hot springs of Brenda ban and 709 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:04,930 some of the caves the water is hot in 710 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:07,330 the lower galleries yeah so there's 711 00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:09,130 certainly um yeah geothermal activity 712 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:11,560 there's a lot of water down there it's 713 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:14,710 um the largest limestone district in 714 00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:17,140 Europe so there's a lot of um a lot of 715 00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:20,020 faulting and a lot of confluence and I 716 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:23,580 of yeah underground streams and 717 00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:27,010 certainly um in some cases like Abu 718 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:29,110 Faraj there's an actual magnetic 719 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:31,450 deflection on the compass where whatever 720 00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:34,180 it is is strong enough to literally 721 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:37,600 affect compass needles or um aerial 722 00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:40,830 navigation and you can imagine it's um 723 00:35:44,850 --> 00:35:42,940 strong enough to affect brain waves 724 00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:44,860 another possibility is that there's a 725 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:47,590 very high high iron content in these 726 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:50,110 mountains these mountains the riddled 727 00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:53,800 with iron mines from he these mountains 728 00:36:02,130 --> 00:35:55,900 gave the Roman legions their swords and 729 00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:02,140 their spears and possibly the just the 730 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:05,380 sheer presence of the aura of the the 731 00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:07,090 magnetic field of the mountains might 732 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:10,360 have I am an effect on again on brain 733 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:14,260 waves or um my perception but will it 734 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:18,430 return no it's a the whole of space-time 735 00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:20,370 is a little bit low but up around here 736 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,830 and you can certainly time seems to move 737 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:26,320 that area I'm at a different rate when 738 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:29,770 you're in the zone as well suddenly 739 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:32,290 things move slower which I enjoy very 740 00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:34,810 much the outside world seems to move at 741 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:38,320 a much faster more frantic pace that's 742 00:36:43,050 --> 00:36:40,770 true that's true 743 00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,060 it is that you are an 744 00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:45,280 different world when you're there I feel 745 00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:48,790 like I'm completely in a different kind 746 00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:50,680 of place when I'm there then it then 747 00:36:55,230 --> 00:36:52,840 when I'm anywhere else but then 748 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:55,240 certainly then when I'm at home but you 749 00:37:01,170 --> 00:36:58,410 know mount Booga rash is certainly a 750 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:01,180 legendary place a strange place and it's 751 00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:03,940 attracted the attention of so many you 752 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:06,390 know famous authors who've you know 753 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,950 included bits of it in their work and 754 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:12,240 filmmakers and in all kinds of people 755 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:16,150 and it's said it's called the upside 756 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:20,110 down mountain because the bottom part is 757 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:23,950 actually newer than the top part so at 758 00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:28,450 some point it flipped over and now you 759 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:31,240 also hear people say now I don't know 760 00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:33,430 what do you think about this Richard you 761 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:35,950 hear people say that you see UFOs around 762 00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:37,960 Google Rash have you ever seen anything 763 00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,880 like that I've never seen a UFO myself I 764 00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:46,000 mean I'm gonna commend us I've never 765 00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:48,760 seen an alien craft or I've seen plenty 766 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:51,220 of unidentified flying objects and weird 767 00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:54,250 space junk and falling things in the sky 768 00:37:58,410 --> 00:37:56,110 over the years but I'm not convinced 769 00:38:03,090 --> 00:37:58,420 I've seen any controlled craft but I 770 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:03,100 will allow that the symptoms of of UFO 771 00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:06,550 contactee s and the symptoms of white 772 00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:09,960 lady contactees and the symptoms of 773 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:13,480 little person contactees people who run 774 00:38:19,470 --> 00:38:16,330 into fairies elves gnomes which is also 775 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:19,480 something very commonly reported around 776 00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:22,450 here tend to be very similar the 777 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:27,400 experiences are yet similar enough me to 778 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:29,890 think that the same phenomena being 779 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:35,170 differently interpreted Wow all right 780 00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:38,290 well you know I think this might be a 781 00:38:43,410 --> 00:38:40,300 good place to take a quick break Richard 782 00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:43,420 and when we come back more about the 783 00:38:51,209 --> 00:38:47,200 zone and about Richard Stanley hang in 784 00:38:55,029 --> 00:38:53,380 thanks for being with us tonight on 785 00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:55,039 night vision if you're just joining us 786 00:39:00,429 --> 00:38:57,679 tonight my guest is filmmaker writer 787 00:39:02,979 --> 00:39:00,439 Richard Stanley coming to us live from 788 00:39:06,279 --> 00:39:02,989 Mont Segur in the south west part of 789 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:06,289 France now Richard I hinted to you off 790 00:39:10,839 --> 00:39:09,169 the air that I was going to ask you 791 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:10,849 about something I was going to take you 792 00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:16,160 back in time my first connection with 793 00:39:24,189 --> 00:39:19,849 you if you can even call it that had to 794 00:39:28,059 --> 00:39:24,199 be at least a dozen years ago and it had 795 00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:28,069 to do with my producing partner we had a 796 00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:29,660 company at the time called Blue Book 797 00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,380 films and he's his name is Bruce Burgess 798 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:35,839 he's a film director in London he's 799 00:39:42,579 --> 00:39:39,410 right now producing series for the BBC 800 00:39:44,739 --> 00:39:42,589 and I think maybe another network or two 801 00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:44,749 but he produces forbidden history right 802 00:39:52,089 --> 00:39:48,229 now for I think it's the BBC me maybe 803 00:39:56,169 --> 00:39:52,099 it's BBC one but anyhow he and I had a 804 00:39:58,269 --> 00:39:56,179 company back then and we were we had 805 00:40:01,419 --> 00:39:58,279 offices in Los Angeles in an office in 806 00:40:04,779 --> 00:40:01,429 London and he approached me with this 807 00:40:08,229 --> 00:40:04,789 show idea he said he knew this guy in 808 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:08,239 London that was somehow now some of this 809 00:40:13,419 --> 00:40:10,729 may be wrong I don't know related to 810 00:40:18,819 --> 00:40:13,429 some famous explorers or something and 811 00:40:21,429 --> 00:40:18,829 that at some point his one of his 812 00:40:24,789 --> 00:40:21,439 relatives had brought back this fetish 813 00:40:30,669 --> 00:40:24,799 doll called an O no mo from the Dogon 814 00:40:34,449 --> 00:40:30,679 tribe in Africa and that that fetish had 815 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:34,459 caused problems for each person in the 816 00:40:42,569 --> 00:40:38,089 family that had held onto it now that 817 00:40:44,739 --> 00:40:42,579 person's name was Richard Stanley and I 818 00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:44,749 think that was you Richard 819 00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:48,140 is that right and it was and you 820 00:40:53,649 --> 00:40:50,359 remember the story well because the UM 821 00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:53,659 the cursed idols name is only mo or 822 00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,400 owned the mo that detail certainly comes 823 00:41:02,469 --> 00:40:59,599 down to 824 00:41:04,809 --> 00:41:02,479 now what we do I don't know if you 825 00:41:09,189 --> 00:41:04,819 remember this but what we wanted to do 826 00:41:12,279 --> 00:41:09,199 was to accompany you and do a 827 00:41:16,509 --> 00:41:12,289 documentary with you returning that 828 00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:16,519 fetish that uh Nemo to the Dogon tribe 829 00:41:23,289 --> 00:41:19,670 and I think what ended up happening was 830 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:23,299 we got caught up in bloodline and I'm 831 00:41:29,739 --> 00:41:25,849 just not sure where it all went but what 832 00:41:32,799 --> 00:41:29,749 was really bizarre to me was at some 833 00:41:35,759 --> 00:41:32,809 point later on when I was you know in in 834 00:41:40,209 --> 00:41:35,769 France at one point several years ago 835 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:40,219 someone said oh we met the sky at Mont 836 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:43,880 Segur and he we met him on the on the on 837 00:41:48,189 --> 00:41:46,249 top of the POG and he told us everything 838 00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:48,199 he's just wonderful 839 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:50,809 his name is Richard Stanley and I said 840 00:41:56,979 --> 00:41:54,890 hmm Richard Stanley could it be I 841 00:41:59,099 --> 00:41:56,989 thought well that's not too unusual a 842 00:42:02,170 --> 00:41:59,109 name that might be a different person 843 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:02,180 but indeed it ended up being used so I 844 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:05,089 think we were destined somehow to cross 845 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:08,930 paths in some way in in these mysteries 846 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:12,170 but I gotta ask you what happened with 847 00:42:19,209 --> 00:42:15,410 autumn oh I believe it's in the hands of 848 00:42:22,779 --> 00:42:19,219 my first cousin Angus now passed to him 849 00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:22,789 when my uncle David dies it likes to go 850 00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,180 down through the mail firstborn me in 851 00:42:31,329 --> 00:42:28,880 the family and I was kind of anxious not 852 00:42:33,219 --> 00:42:31,339 to inherit us because it's got an evil 853 00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,229 history and unfortunately we never 854 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:36,079 returned it to Africa I'm not sure who 855 00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:39,049 we would return it to because um it was 856 00:42:43,709 --> 00:42:41,900 taken over a century ago from from 857 00:42:47,579 --> 00:42:43,719 Africa 858 00:42:51,609 --> 00:42:47,589 strangely enough by my mother by my 859 00:42:54,099 --> 00:42:51,619 grandfather on my mother's side not on 860 00:42:55,769 --> 00:42:54,109 my father's side of my father's side the 861 00:42:58,209 --> 00:42:55,779 sentence from Sir Henry Morton Stanley 862 00:43:01,420 --> 00:42:58,219 well on my mom's side I am 863 00:43:05,529 --> 00:43:01,430 great-grandfather was I am a High Court 864 00:43:10,049 --> 00:43:05,539 judge in Nigeria and part of the British 865 00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:10,059 colonial service and at some point 866 00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:13,400 executed a witch doctor for 867 00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:17,270 um or human sacrifice confiscated his 868 00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:21,200 fetish confiscated his idol which was 869 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:23,390 some thing called own emo and he first 870 00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:26,050 scholars it was some just a ball of 871 00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:28,910 congealed mud and blood and and pebbles 872 00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:32,390 and my grandmother washed it off in the 873 00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,110 bath and found with some carved Idol and 874 00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:39,200 fight inside the ball of mud when Chum 875 00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:41,780 has Egyptian characteristics that has a 876 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:44,660 little Tutankhamun typeface and and 877 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:46,970 Bearden it has the the horns of a virus 878 00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:51,170 a mighty rounded base like a laughing 879 00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,150 policeman which Mary gave it to the 880 00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:55,280 ability to sort of rock backwards and 881 00:44:00,070 --> 00:43:58,070 forwards on the mantelpiece my um 882 00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:00,080 granddad had set up in the court in 883 00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:03,380 Nigeria where he was most of them gave 884 00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:05,150 people the option of swearing on it and 885 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:18,590 or the Bible and know what kind of what 886 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:23,090 kind of things befell the holders of the 887 00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:27,770 fetish what's a bad luck is what lost 888 00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:30,220 was that my mother always said is that 889 00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:36,200 when your life really comes to nothing 890 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:39,980 when what anymo gets like my grandfather 891 00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:43,130 um became a chronic alcoholic was thrown 892 00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:46,550 out of the colonial service became was 893 00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:50,180 pretty much a shut-in looked through 894 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:52,190 World War two there's a story about how 895 00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:55,130 he refused to go in the bunker during 896 00:45:03,130 --> 00:44:59,630 work during the Blitz it would set his 897 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:03,140 out with only moment said um stay in his 898 00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,810 armchair but yeah then it passed to my 899 00:45:14,260 --> 00:45:10,880 uncle David who was again involved of 900 00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:14,270 Africa was in the the SAS the Special 901 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:22,870 Kenya screwed up his back and I am a 902 00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:26,450 parachute jump in Kenya and leaders out 903 00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:27,200 of the third 904 00:45:33,099 --> 00:45:29,150 some spend most of the rest of his life 905 00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:33,109 sitting in the armchair with some anymo 906 00:45:45,849 --> 00:45:43,810 yes yeah notional to try and break the 907 00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:45,859 curse by I'm taking the idol back to 908 00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:48,800 Africa and apologizing I guess for the 909 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:51,859 generations or from colonial one shed 910 00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:55,490 some went into the thing yeah well maybe 911 00:46:01,089 --> 00:45:59,300 we should still do that one day yeah I'm 912 00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,099 so much my cousin Angus of yeah 913 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:02,480 preferred I haven't been I'm checking to 914 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:04,010 see what his life has been like since he 915 00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:09,280 inherited us it'd be interesting to know 916 00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:14,030 yeah - check subject by the way that 917 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:17,990 curse the idol yeah the the the British 918 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:20,450 Museum tried to buy it at one point and 919 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:22,910 my I'm grant Abbott I'm but she refused 920 00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:26,050 to sell it I know it's got some some 921 00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:30,589 yeah archaeological value yeah it seems 922 00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:33,020 like he was kind of attached to it he's 923 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:35,240 the one that that refused to go in the 924 00:46:41,530 --> 00:46:39,920 shelter during the yeah that's an emo 925 00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:41,540 rock backwards and towards when there 926 00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:44,920 when the bombs were bursting Wow 927 00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,510 that's pretty wild well that's so funny 928 00:46:50,109 --> 00:46:49,280 you know I never got that story straight 929 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:50,119 with you 930 00:46:55,870 --> 00:46:54,170 when when I've seen you there in France 931 00:46:58,059 --> 00:46:55,880 there's been a lot of people around and 932 00:46:59,559 --> 00:46:58,069 lots of other conversations going on so 933 00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,569 we never really straightened that out 934 00:47:04,859 --> 00:47:02,480 and I always wanted to I always wondered 935 00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:04,869 about that but that is an interesting 936 00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:08,150 specializing because it also speaks of 937 00:47:17,770 --> 00:47:12,680 some connection between African tribal 938 00:47:19,210 --> 00:47:17,780 magic dynastic Egypt and just how long 939 00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,220 that little thing was wandering around 940 00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:21,920 across across Africa past commander hand 941 00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:25,190 and being um generated by different 942 00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:29,750 people yes now do you have a photograph 943 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:35,359 of it maybe somewhere oh I'd love to see 944 00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:38,510 it I it's I pictured it totally 945 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:40,280 different than what you described it the 946 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:41,090 the the 947 00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:43,490 feathers and all that yeah but not the 948 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:46,220 kind of Egyptian looking face that you 949 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:49,010 that you described that is really into a 950 00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:51,890 little Tutankhamun beard and these like 951 00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:55,550 horns of Osiris embraced of the a little 952 00:48:00,040 --> 00:47:57,710 place Wow 953 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:00,050 that is very strange well that's 954 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:03,410 interesting that's another job together 955 00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:06,610 [Laughter] 956 00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:09,950 in being aware that was the Dogon 957 00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:11,720 culture as well it takes you off the 958 00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:13,790 totally different direction me the Momo 959 00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:17,000 were the ancestral race that came from 960 00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:21,020 the Stars and Dogon culture Oh was their 961 00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:25,580 leader that's right that's right in you 962 00:48:32,290 --> 00:48:27,380 know they had some pretty interesting 963 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:32,300 and astrological information that you 964 00:48:38,590 --> 00:48:33,890 know a long time before they probably 965 00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:38,600 should have had it the Dogons they knew 966 00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:41,270 a lot about star systems and things like 967 00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:43,940 that that before there was ever 968 00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:47,000 equipment to to reveal that to us so 969 00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:48,920 that is pretty interesting pretty 970 00:48:53,490 --> 00:48:50,390 interesting but yeah I think we could 971 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:53,500 find the the tribe the particular 972 00:49:00,940 --> 00:48:57,410 village and find the head of the tribe 973 00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:00,950 and maybe return it with apologies like 974 00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:04,430 you said and you know if Angus wants to 975 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:06,560 get rid of it if he's having hard times 976 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:08,690 and he feels like it's time to give it 977 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:10,730 up but it sounds like your grandfather 978 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:15,410 was rather attached to it yeah in some 979 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:19,370 way it was quite familiar with us but he 980 00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:22,970 was also a batshit crazy by the latter 981 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:30,800 years of his life well now back to the 982 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:34,730 other zone back to southwest France you 983 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:37,970 know we talked about the zone and have 984 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:40,250 you done any research in the perilous 985 00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:44,210 area I've heard some very strange 986 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:47,360 stories out of perilous and things 987 00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:49,850 happening to people and where does that 988 00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,070 fall that's outside the zone isn't it 989 00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:56,220 yeah I mean trying to plot the exact 990 00:50:01,200 --> 00:49:58,630 outlines of the design is tricky I mean 991 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:01,210 it's a bit of a a moveable feast that 992 00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:03,910 there's stuff going on down in the the 993 00:50:08,490 --> 00:50:05,620 paraloft area and there's also stuff 994 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:08,500 that happens around Koenig ooh I'm a lot 995 00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:10,090 of people insisted Koenig who is a 996 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:16,840 portal area which is yeah another area 997 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:19,360 and kind of next door to us 998 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:23,530 joined-at-the-hip son you know that 999 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:26,200 portal thing you know keeps coming up 1000 00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,490 with respect to different spots in that 1001 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:32,700 region I know 1002 00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:35,170 Gloria a model and I have talked a lot 1003 00:50:41,370 --> 00:50:38,350 about you know a portal and run with 1004 00:50:45,870 --> 00:50:41,380 chateaux and where we feel that is 1005 00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:45,880 located just our sense of it from all 1006 00:50:54,930 --> 00:50:49,680 kinds of experiences and things but it 1007 00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:54,940 seems like you know that whole area like 1008 00:51:01,160 --> 00:50:56,440 you said it's kind of a moveable feast 1009 00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:01,170 it can it's kind of a fluid thing like 1010 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:07,870 the idea of the zone from the the 1011 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:09,970 concept of the zone was first proposed 1012 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:12,250 in a science fiction novel called 1013 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:15,370 roadside picnic written by two Russian 1014 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:18,130 writers Boris närke destroy Gatzke there 1015 00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,770 was the basis for a very good movie by 1016 00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:22,480 Andrei Tarkovsky called stalker 1017 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:26,020 um which situation zone was being in in 1018 00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:29,410 Russia in the book zones and in Canada 1019 00:51:34,850 --> 00:51:32,590 but it also mentions this notion of from 1020 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:34,860 zones having appeared all over the earth 1021 00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:39,970 and I think there's yet the the zone 1022 00:51:44,010 --> 00:51:42,460 could be I'm pretty much any part of the 1023 00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:44,020 world but you always know when you step 1024 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:49,060 into it and here I adopted the idea 1025 00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:51,730 largely because um I got tired of all 1026 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:53,470 the different towns competing as to who 1027 00:51:57,150 --> 00:51:55,810 at the mystery at the Holy Grail is in 1028 00:52:01,220 --> 00:51:57,160 monster bore of the Ark of the Covenant 1029 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:01,230 is under in the Chateau or the an alien 1030 00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,610 parking garage under book or ash I 1031 00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:05,920 thought it would be easier to consider 1032 00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:07,980 the entire area 1033 00:52:12,799 --> 00:52:11,369 as being a little strange within the 1034 00:52:15,319 --> 00:52:12,809 zone there is always the notion that 1035 00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:15,329 somewhere hidden within that place is 1036 00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:16,950 the thing which will grant you your 1037 00:52:21,799 --> 00:52:19,980 dearest wish there's always a lost 1038 00:52:24,799 --> 00:52:21,809 treasure or something the equivalent of 1039 00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:24,809 the Holy Grail or the shining globe or 1040 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:28,500 the room of the thing that will what 1041 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:30,690 will give you your heart's desire no 1042 00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:34,130 one's quite sure what it is some book or 1043 00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,990 some lost treasure but every town or 1044 00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:38,700 place seems to have a lost book or a 1045 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:42,119 lost couple um some some symbol of 1046 00:52:48,019 --> 00:52:45,210 public attainment which is somehow lost 1047 00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,029 in the middle of the labyrinth when most 1048 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:50,880 of the seekers out here are um somehow 1049 00:52:59,299 --> 00:52:56,250 looking for you know people talk about 1050 00:53:04,759 --> 00:52:59,309 you know a certain geometry to the area 1051 00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:04,769 and a geometry in the landscape and the 1052 00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:09,000 idea that it seems purposeful by 1053 00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:14,579 intelligent design you know even to the 1054 00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:18,630 extent of maybe being terraformed do you 1055 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,480 have any ideas on that what is it about 1056 00:53:29,299 --> 00:53:24,720 that place that makes it so special was 1057 00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,309 it deliberately set up do you think um 1058 00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:31,680 what's one possibility certainly that 1059 00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:35,180 notion that the area was terraformed by 1060 00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:40,079 aliens or or gods or Lovecraftian Oaks 1061 00:53:45,259 --> 00:53:43,049 dimensional beings at some point in 1062 00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:45,269 ancient times I think was some first 1063 00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:48,420 introduced by um David woods in his book 1064 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:50,670 Genesis back in the the mid eighties 1065 00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:54,210 when Woods was a British surveyor 1066 00:54:02,690 --> 00:53:58,490 surveyed the zone and established the 1067 00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:02,700 basic pentagram there is a vast natural 1068 00:54:10,099 --> 00:54:07,680 pentagram when Chum is again reason be 1069 00:54:12,380 --> 00:54:10,109 easy to draw arm woods then went a bit 1070 00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:12,390 crazy and continued to find more and 1071 00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:16,559 more land forms and shapes and the in 1072 00:54:24,859 --> 00:54:21,710 initially felt that he had found 1073 00:54:27,049 --> 00:54:24,869 something like the um the genitalia of 1074 00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:27,059 the gods he found first the vagina of 1075 00:54:33,859 --> 00:54:31,200 not no NotI Pollock Dallas and zoomed 1076 00:54:35,509 --> 00:54:33,869 out discovered that um the entire area 1077 00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:35,519 from above that the mountains all looked 1078 00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:39,000 like a vast donkey which he termed the 1079 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:44,339 evil ass then managers to tease this out 1080 00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,529 into a creation was where he imagined 1081 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:48,559 that the entire area had been 1082 00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:52,410 terraformed by God's to show how mankind 1083 00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:54,359 had been created by the genetic 1084 00:55:00,380 --> 00:54:57,420 manipulation of animals which I think 1085 00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,390 was an idea introduced in the UM the mid 1086 00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:02,880 eighties since then various other 1087 00:55:10,009 --> 00:55:06,059 procurve continued to build on me on the 1088 00:55:17,319 --> 00:55:10,019 pentagram extrapolate more and more 1089 00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:17,329 elaborate terrestrial zodiacs really um 1090 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:21,329 geometric labyrinth um these are just 1091 00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:24,569 more attempts to try to contain or 1092 00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:27,240 describe the forces at work in this case 1093 00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:29,880 through geometry other people try and 1094 00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:32,609 find it through numerology or through I 1095 00:55:38,349 --> 00:55:35,430 met Amala G's through the I'm decoding 1096 00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:38,359 me the place gnomes and breaking down 1097 00:55:43,789 --> 00:55:41,460 incessantly um yeah different parts of 1098 00:55:45,529 --> 00:55:43,799 language to I'm trying to figure out 1099 00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:45,539 what's really going on but I think these 1100 00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,119 are all sort of an obsessive compulsive 1101 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:51,599 attempts have tried to UM to rationalize 1102 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:54,990 or or understand what's happening I'm 1103 00:55:59,599 --> 00:55:56,690 not sure any of them are actually I'm 1104 00:56:03,499 --> 00:55:59,609 ballad explanations but they all need to 1105 00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:03,509 be could you reconsidered I mean what 1106 00:56:08,140 --> 00:56:05,160 we've already knows everywhere around 1107 00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:08,150 here it's a little strange that all up 1108 00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:12,150 but some the different towns seem to 1109 00:56:19,099 --> 00:56:15,900 exist in different genres like there is 1110 00:56:21,759 --> 00:56:19,109 different styles of weirdness like a 1111 00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:21,769 month ago it's like we're trapped in 1112 00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:24,750 Lord of the Rings or um Game of Thrones 1113 00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:27,480 or something there was a definite high 1114 00:56:33,410 --> 00:56:31,920 fantasy medieval aspect to it whereas 1115 00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:33,420 rennes-le-château 1116 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:36,390 sort of diabolic conspiracy theory 1117 00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:40,140 universe windows a bit like a um late 1118 00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:43,350 seventies early eighties euro devil 1119 00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:49,800 movie the italian horror movie of the 1120 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:51,420 bunch where's Booker ashes plane near 1121 00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:56,450 fine fiction River yeah and has a UFOs 1122 00:57:01,780 --> 00:56:58,740 underground parking garages poor aliens 1123 00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:01,790 some of course these celebrations 1124 00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:04,430 standoff with the French military in 1125 00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:11,280 2012 well I've heard tales that people 1126 00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:14,700 have seen booger s glowing green at 1127 00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:16,380 night if you ever heard that or seen 1128 00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:19,140 anything like that I've never seen 1129 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:22,680 before ash glow green at night I mean I 1130 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:25,890 wouldn't put it past the place and yeah 1131 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:28,350 a very odd Mountain you can see it very 1132 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:33,110 it's exactly the same height as months 1133 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:35,490 ago and it looks a bit like Devil's 1134 00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:37,290 Tower from Close Encounters from moving 1135 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:41,400 the battlements of the castle and some 1136 00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:44,850 on the on the far side of the Sun it 1137 00:57:50,810 --> 00:57:48,150 certainly has a presence yeah there's an 1138 00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:50,820 amazing view of course from the tour 1139 00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:53,700 Magdala to and Renly Chateau of boo rash 1140 00:58:01,970 --> 00:57:57,810 I posted a picture that I took the last 1141 00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:01,980 time I was on top of the tower of Mount 1142 00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:05,550 bruger rash and the clouds and I posted 1143 00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,020 it in the chat room just a few minutes 1144 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:09,180 ago if you're listening we've still got 1145 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:10,890 a few more minutes to go you could join 1146 00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:13,530 us in the chatroom at i/o and chat calm 1147 00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,870 and post your comments there now and 1148 00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:20,880 join us in the conversation lots of good 1149 00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,500 people in there what's a good 1150 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:25,440 conversation going on now I do want to 1151 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:29,370 mention again your movie low term on the 1152 00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:33,570 other world and it is available you can 1153 00:58:40,550 --> 00:58:36,960 order it on Amazon and probably other 1154 00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:40,560 major retailers as well but I ordered it 1155 00:58:45,020 --> 00:58:42,750 off Amazon today although I've already 1156 00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:45,030 seen it I wanted my own copy I saw it on 1157 00:58:48,269 --> 00:58:46,480 Netflix 1158 00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:48,279 which I don't think it's any longer 1159 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:52,510 available on Netflix but you can 1160 00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:53,890 certainly get your own copy 1161 00:59:01,380 --> 00:58:57,970 and now how long did you take to do that 1162 00:59:02,730 --> 00:59:01,390 film and and well I I was going to ask 1163 00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:02,740 you what drew you to do it but it's 1164 00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:05,470 obvious you know and it was such a 1165 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:09,430 wonderful portrayal of this sort of high 1166 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:11,890 strangeness of the area which I loved 1167 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:14,890 because it's it's so hard to sort of 1168 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:17,170 encapsulate that and explain that to 1169 00:59:22,589 --> 00:59:19,450 anyone you know but you did a good job 1170 00:59:23,279 --> 00:59:22,599 of showing it and I think that is really 1171 00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:23,289 wonderful 1172 00:59:34,109 --> 00:59:31,359 I really and want to remind people that 1173 00:59:37,049 --> 00:59:34,119 you know we are going to be having a 1174 00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:37,059 screening there in the region the first 1175 00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,380 week of May Otherworld and we'd love to 1176 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:43,599 see there and hopefully we'll get 1177 00:59:51,299 --> 00:59:45,250 Richard over there to answer questions 1178 00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,309 afterwards definitely definitely yeah so 1179 00:59:58,019 --> 00:59:53,920 what's next for you are you making 1180 01:00:00,749 --> 00:59:58,029 another film I'm very much hoping to 1181 01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:00,759 make another drama film but I'm not 1182 01:00:06,859 --> 01:00:03,220 going to tell you about what the 1183 01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:09,990 it's been a while since I've done a full 1184 01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:14,140 traumatic movie and yeah off to 1185 01:00:20,279 --> 01:00:15,880 Otherworld one two I'm step away from 1186 01:00:22,890 --> 01:00:20,289 documentaries for other worlds happens 1187 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:22,900 completely by accident I mean it was no 1188 01:00:28,109 --> 01:00:25,450 simply because the a bunch of 1189 01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:28,119 professional film equipment very 1190 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:31,630 talented cameraman fell into my lap in 1191 01:00:36,359 --> 01:00:33,250 fact I'd just broken up with his French 1192 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:36,369 girlfriend amid the place to stay and we 1193 01:00:46,289 --> 01:00:41,680 happen to have from yeah high-quality 1194 01:00:48,509 --> 01:00:46,299 cameras um yeah board Karim my cameraman 1195 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:48,519 started taking shots of the things we're 1196 01:00:53,579 --> 01:00:51,700 going on progressed to interviewing 1197 01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:53,589 neighbors and the people who are around 1198 01:00:59,069 --> 01:00:56,200 and it does become a ball of string 1199 01:00:59,790 --> 01:00:59,079 without actually um anyone planning on 1200 01:01:05,130 --> 01:00:59,800 us 1201 01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:05,140 it's very much a portrait of from yeah 1202 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:07,710 day-to-day life here and learn 1203 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:11,530 absolutely well your house is kind of 1204 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:15,850 it's definitely in the zone you know if 1205 01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:19,390 I if I could say you know the you're the 1206 01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:21,220 only person I know that you know the 1207 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:22,720 moment you step inside there's a 1208 01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:26,530 portrait of Vlad the Impaler right by 1209 01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:29,710 the front door yes you go in and all the 1210 01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:32,260 wonderful wonderful books you know had a 1211 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:36,310 wonderful time skimming through and and 1212 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:39,610 visiting there but I was also intrigued 1213 01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:42,490 when we we took the little re you and 1214 01:01:47,330 --> 01:01:44,740 our friends there we took the little 1215 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:47,340 walk in fact that was on my birthday 1216 01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:49,810 last year I guess was it last year or 1217 01:01:59,780 --> 01:01:55,360 was that year before last yeah we took 1218 01:02:02,250 --> 01:01:59,790 that little walk over to that spot where 1219 01:02:05,660 --> 01:02:02,260 there where there's a sort of a scenic 1220 01:02:09,090 --> 01:02:05,670 lookout which I had no idea was there 1221 01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:09,100 you walk up past the church there in 1222 01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:12,430 Mont Segur village and there's that 1223 01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:15,400 little walkway you go up and we pass 1224 01:02:21,690 --> 01:02:18,070 about Hannibal's point yeah that's right 1225 01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:21,700 and we pass by this house this I guess 1226 01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:23,980 it's a bed-and-breakfast the starlight 1227 01:02:27,390 --> 01:02:25,900 lounge presents an evening with the 1228 01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:27,400 progressive box 1229 01:02:34,289 --> 01:02:32,049 ah I took a bit of a risk singing that 1230 01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,299 song but of course the one place I never 1231 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:36,160 take chances is the road where 1232 01:02:40,589 --> 01:02:38,410 progressive snapshot rewards your safe 1233 01:02:42,990 --> 01:02:40,599 driving a good driver plus snapshot 1234 01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:43,000 equals big discounts and speaking of 1235 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:47,200 math one plus one equals two little too 1236 01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:48,210 late 1237 01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:50,049 progressive casualty insurance company 1238 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:51,369 affiliate snapshot not available in 1239 01:02:54,930 --> 01:02:52,690 California North Carolina or family 1240 01:02:57,329 --> 01:02:54,940 agents there's something and you pointed 1241 01:03:00,660 --> 01:02:57,339 it out and said that that's where Auto 1242 01:03:04,819 --> 01:03:00,670 Ron had stayed and that there was still 1243 01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:04,829 a lady at that time that was still alive 1244 01:03:11,279 --> 01:03:07,839 suitcases pull yeah that's right is she 1245 01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:11,289 still there Asha Scalia well just I'm 1246 01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:13,150 down for at the moment because the whole 1247 01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:15,700 town is under heavy snow right now so 1248 01:03:22,279 --> 01:03:18,880 she's staying for relatives some hoping 1249 01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:22,289 she will reopen your bears next to a 1250 01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:27,430 living link to those days yeah she still 1251 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:29,920 remembers our to run she's very the only 1252 01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:33,250 one still alive who dance and who 1253 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:37,140 recalls the pre-war years there was a 1254 01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:40,690 big occult revival in the nineteen 1255 01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:42,640 twenties and thirties and a lot of 1256 01:03:47,250 --> 01:03:45,520 secret societies and spiritualist groups 1257 01:03:51,089 --> 01:03:47,260 came two months ago at that time and 1258 01:03:54,029 --> 01:03:51,099 tried to channel the the force of work 1259 01:03:57,690 --> 01:03:54,039 on the mountain and tried to in their 1260 01:04:00,690 --> 01:03:57,700 various ways to revive the UM the 1261 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:00,700 heretical faith of the 13th century most 1262 01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:02,770 of that founded was world war ii and 1263 01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:05,710 pretty much all they um secret societies 1264 01:04:11,609 --> 01:04:08,470 were criminalized under the the Vichy 1265 01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:11,619 regime and during the twenties and 1266 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:13,569 thirties there was in wrong time there 1267 01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:16,450 was a definite confluence of figures 1268 01:04:21,150 --> 01:04:18,609 yeah and pretty much all of them ended 1269 01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,160 up staying at some Madam's hotel at 1270 01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:23,440 Maison bouquet which had the early 1271 01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:26,799 telephone in town and was the UM the 1272 01:04:34,170 --> 01:04:30,480 scene of the early nirakara conferences 1273 01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:34,180 and you know for anyone who may not know 1274 01:04:41,340 --> 01:04:37,230 art Arad was a young archaeologist who 1275 01:04:44,099 --> 01:04:41,350 was commissioned by the Nazis 1276 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:44,109 I think he didn't know initially that 1277 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:46,530 that's who was commissioning him to 1278 01:04:54,570 --> 01:04:50,980 explore Montsegur in search of the Grail 1279 01:04:58,530 --> 01:04:54,580 treasure or religious treasures of some 1280 01:05:00,599 --> 01:04:58,540 kind and I guess he was sort of in deep 1281 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:00,609 I guess it was Himmler that hired him 1282 01:05:05,099 --> 01:05:02,650 and he was in deep by the time he 1283 01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:05,109 figured out who he's working for but he 1284 01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:06,640 died in a very strange and mysterious 1285 01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:10,790 way and I think he died in the snow 1286 01:05:14,609 --> 01:05:11,940 [Music] 1287 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:14,619 yeah I'll surprise to death on the 1288 01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:18,010 German French border in 1939 while 1289 01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:24,070 trying to escape from the SS okay yeah I 1290 01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:27,670 believe he was trying to flee the SS was 1291 01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:29,590 trying to escape across the border from 1292 01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:33,520 Germany into France and for some reason 1293 01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:35,680 I'm just before the French border he got 1294 01:05:41,010 --> 01:05:38,140 off the bus he was on and went into the 1295 01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:41,020 forest we suspect it was because he saw 1296 01:05:45,060 --> 01:05:42,880 that they were searching the people up 1297 01:05:47,609 --> 01:05:45,070 ahead and he became frightened that he 1298 01:05:51,590 --> 01:05:47,619 would be caught and since one of the 1299 01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,600 camps so I'm yeah pleasant the the trees 1300 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:54,640 the last people to see him alive were 1301 01:05:59,160 --> 01:05:56,650 two kids playing outside the farmhouse 1302 01:06:01,050 --> 01:05:59,170 who I'm say the man in black comes out 1303 01:06:03,810 --> 01:06:01,060 of the tree line and asked him what time 1304 01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:03,820 it is and then mom disappears blackened 1305 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:07,030 back into the trees then the next spring 1306 01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,810 me um kids um find his body it turns out 1307 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:13,119 to be the UM the body of ss 1308 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:16,690 obersturmfuhrer Otto Hahn run the the 1309 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:19,690 man who really broke the story of the 1310 01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:21,250 Cathars to the outside world because 1311 01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:24,190 some also his main achievement as he 1312 01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:26,020 wrote pretty much the first accounts of 1313 01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,140 the Albert Johnson crusade and the siege 1314 01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:31,359 of months ago to appear outside of 1315 01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:33,910 France and she was a book called crusade 1316 01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:37,270 against the Grail back in 1944 you know 1317 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:40,420 I have that book it was translated into 1318 01:06:46,620 --> 01:06:44,890 English a few years back I am you know 1319 01:06:51,030 --> 01:06:46,630 he was very young wasn't he wasn't the 1320 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:51,040 only about 29 when he died yeah I think 1321 01:06:54,990 --> 01:06:52,090 you later 1322 01:06:57,329 --> 01:06:55,000 Oh 32 yeah maybe 29 when he was 1323 01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,339 on one sagoo yeah it was close to the 1324 01:07:02,940 --> 01:06:59,520 same age as Christ 1325 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:02,950 um I guess because imagine that I'll say 1326 01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:06,089 it died a martyr's death of this place 1327 01:07:15,809 --> 01:07:10,270 yeah I also think he's Jerry beloved by 1328 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:15,819 um by the mountain um by the lady of the 1329 01:07:28,099 --> 01:07:18,690 council I think this place like Tata 1330 01:07:34,829 --> 01:07:30,809 Annie got involved in this because I was 1331 01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:34,839 polling Anto not so really opened my 1332 01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:38,319 eyes to this mystery and that by going 1333 01:07:42,809 --> 01:07:40,150 to the places that he writes about in 1334 01:07:48,839 --> 01:07:42,819 crusade against the Grail and court of 1335 01:07:51,410 --> 01:07:48,849 Lucifer it it acts like a road map to an 1336 01:07:54,450 --> 01:07:51,420 almost vanished Europe to another world 1337 01:07:58,260 --> 01:07:54,460 but I began to become increasingly 1338 01:08:00,809 --> 01:07:58,270 impressed with also some sensibilities 1339 01:08:04,260 --> 01:08:00,819 and though he certainly knew a good spot 1340 01:08:07,770 --> 01:08:04,270 and Joe in the course of making a 1341 01:08:12,180 --> 01:08:07,780 documentary on him back and the the late 1342 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:12,190 90s at the opportunity to go to as many 1343 01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:13,690 of these sites he writes about as 1344 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:16,900 possible and um yeah became increasingly 1345 01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,690 fond of also his take on the world 1346 01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:20,400 mmm-hmm 1347 01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:22,870 we think he had probably had the sixth 1348 01:08:29,220 --> 01:08:27,580 sense or um his some his niece ingerborg 1349 01:08:32,999 --> 01:08:29,230 who I met said yet the seventh right 1350 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:33,009 whatever that is um yeah definitely are 1351 01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,489 very very sensitive member you know it's 1352 01:08:41,729 --> 01:08:38,560 funny you know the reason I ask is 1353 01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:41,739 because I've always like I was always 1354 01:08:49,559 --> 01:08:44,560 drawn to to Montsegur there in certain 1355 01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:49,569 figures you know in this whole story all 1356 01:08:55,229 --> 01:08:53,049 these stories that really I particularly 1357 01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:55,239 drawn to and he's one of them you know 1358 01:09:02,189 --> 01:08:58,960 course s Claremont de Foix is a very big 1359 01:09:07,380 --> 01:09:02,199 one for me but on Iran I've always just 1360 01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:07,390 felt a real liking for for some reason 1361 01:09:18,109 --> 01:09:08,339 like 1362 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:18,119 conflict of interest but that's the case 1363 01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,130 of our I can't help liking him despite 1364 01:09:24,649 --> 01:09:22,500 the fact he's and I was like that's 1365 01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:24,659 right well I think it kind of got into 1366 01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:26,520 that unwittingly didn't they or is that 1367 01:09:33,859 --> 01:09:30,839 just my hopeful thinking already 1368 01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:33,869 happened was after his book became a 1369 01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:36,900 best-seller the book came to the 1370 01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:40,500 attention of Heinrich Himmler he was 1371 01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:43,259 summoned to he didn't know who he was 1372 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:44,940 being summoned to me he was summoned to 1373 01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:48,810 berlin to an important meeting and then 1374 01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:50,460 turned out to be heinrich himmler and 1375 01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:53,400 they offered him the deal whereby they 1376 01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:54,750 would underwrite his further 1377 01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:57,449 explorations in his research in return 1378 01:10:02,990 --> 01:09:58,980 for which he would report directly to 1379 01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:03,000 them and and wear a black uniform also 1380 01:10:10,459 --> 01:10:07,260 it does take devil's deal and agrees to 1381 01:10:15,729 --> 01:10:10,469 become part of the SS and does wear a 1382 01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:15,739 black uniform in mitigation this is in 1383 01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:19,710 1934 and it's before the Holocaust and 1384 01:10:27,379 --> 01:10:23,820 before the existence or from yeah the 1385 01:10:29,959 --> 01:10:27,389 policy of extermination adopted by the 1386 01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:29,969 Nazis I'm from rice christelle 1387 01:10:34,629 --> 01:10:32,520 McDonald's so a week we can't imagine 1388 01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:34,639 that also had the benefit of hindsight 1389 01:10:42,589 --> 01:10:38,369 and as things start to go downhill in 38 1390 01:10:44,839 --> 01:10:42,599 39 also does record his feelings about 1391 01:10:48,140 --> 01:10:44,849 it and is increasingly shocked and 1392 01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:48,150 outraged by um by what the SS is 1393 01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:50,820 becoming in his favor he leaves a good 1394 01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:55,679 paper trail also write some it is no 1395 01:10:59,780 --> 01:10:57,900 longer possible for a tolerant or decent 1396 01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,790 individual to live in the country that 1397 01:11:04,609 --> 01:11:02,159 my homeland has become I can neither 1398 01:11:07,939 --> 01:11:04,619 sleep nor eat it is of a nightmare lies 1399 01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,949 upon me so I was fully aware of it he 1400 01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:09,540 also wrote complaining letters to 1401 01:11:14,540 --> 01:11:11,310 Himmler about the conditions in the 1402 01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:14,550 camps and thought that if Himmler knew 1403 01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:16,590 about the abuses and - our and 1404 01:11:19,339 --> 01:11:17,270 Buchenwald 1405 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:19,349 take you would do something about it 1406 01:11:24,140 --> 01:11:22,050 which shows his naivety 1407 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:24,150 it also shows that he wasn't a 1408 01:11:31,339 --> 01:11:29,730 fundamentally a bad man um and then of 1409 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:31,349 course he eventually breaks with the SS 1410 01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:34,730 completely which you can't do and 1411 01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:38,760 essentially goes on the run now you said 1412 01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:42,239 you made a documentary on Otto Rahn yeah 1413 01:11:52,700 --> 01:11:50,899 yeah ailable on some editions of the 1414 01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:52,710 other world unfortunately probably not 1415 01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:54,750 the one your desertion I told you 24 1416 01:12:03,410 --> 01:11:57,480 hours earlier oh goodness 1417 01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:03,420 oh there's a multipack edition that 1418 01:12:08,209 --> 01:12:06,150 includes some secret glory white 1419 01:12:10,220 --> 01:12:08,219 darkness and voice of the moon so I'm 1420 01:12:10,549 --> 01:12:10,230 three of the other ones I've made over 1421 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:10,559 the years 1422 01:12:17,089 --> 01:12:15,210 oh the secret glory is very much the 1423 01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,099 precursor to the other worlds because it 1424 01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:20,400 tells the UM the autorun story we shut 1425 01:12:26,569 --> 01:12:24,659 it back in the 1990s and I spent a good 1426 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:26,579 few years chasing Auto which was hard 1427 01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:30,449 work because um in 1936 author Ron went 1428 01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:34,679 to the North Pole went to Iceland and 1429 01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:37,320 the UM the Greenland ocean was some 1430 01:12:45,140 --> 01:12:41,369 young over SS so I'm chasing Arthur was 1431 01:12:48,350 --> 01:12:45,150 um yeah tough work at the time why did 1432 01:12:52,819 --> 01:12:48,360 he go there we've never been able to 1433 01:12:54,589 --> 01:12:52,829 figure out why they went we think it had 1434 01:12:59,419 --> 01:12:54,599 something to do with some with the 1435 01:13:03,010 --> 01:12:59,429 Adil's the mythology of Iceland but 1436 01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:03,020 after that it disappears into secrecy 1437 01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:05,400 also I was going to write a third book 1438 01:13:11,419 --> 01:13:08,159 which he claims was going to start on 1439 01:13:14,569 --> 01:13:11,429 the North Atlantic Cape would presumably 1440 01:13:18,589 --> 01:13:14,579 have told us more about what they were 1441 01:13:20,919 --> 01:13:18,599 doing up there the third book entitled 1442 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:20,929 Orpheus a journey to hell and beyond 1443 01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:24,690 never appeared and his loss to us the 1444 01:13:31,220 --> 01:13:26,550 manuscript was probably destroyed back 1445 01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:31,230 in the nineteen thirties and as to what 1446 01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:35,800 the yeah 1447 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:39,659 we're doing at the polls as a matter of 1448 01:13:47,819 --> 01:13:44,730 considerable speculation sure absolutely 1449 01:13:49,589 --> 01:13:47,829 yeah I would love to find that 1450 01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:49,599 manuscripts that would be great but you 1451 01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:51,400 it probably has been destroyed unless 1452 01:13:56,430 --> 01:13:54,670 it's in the Vatican archives yeah it's 1453 01:13:58,879 --> 01:13:56,440 very frustrating it's trailed at the end 1454 01:14:03,030 --> 01:13:58,889 of our second book the court of Lucifer 1455 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:03,040 where he describes himself sitting at a 1456 01:14:08,129 --> 01:14:05,290 table and there's his home in the high 1457 01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:08,139 house back in Germany and he says he has 1458 01:14:12,299 --> 01:14:10,150 three manuscript three books on the 1459 01:14:15,299 --> 01:14:12,309 table in front of him there were three 1460 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:15,309 stones on top of each pile the first 1461 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:17,770 pile of pages as the the manuscripts of 1462 01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,050 crusade against the Grail and on top of 1463 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:22,719 it as a stone from the heretic citadel 1464 01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:25,570 of months ago and second pile of pages 1465 01:14:30,450 --> 01:14:27,820 the court of Lucifer and on top of it as 1466 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:30,460 a fragment of the Delfy temple Oracle's 1467 01:14:35,609 --> 01:14:33,250 Brees and then he says the third pile is 1468 01:14:37,709 --> 01:14:35,619 the manuscript of my next book that will 1469 01:14:40,140 --> 01:14:37,719 constitute my next book Orpheus the Jaya 1470 01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:40,150 held and beyond the club starts at the 1471 01:14:46,919 --> 01:14:42,820 northwest land at Cape and on top of the 1472 01:14:50,970 --> 01:14:46,929 third pile rests a lump of amber golden 1473 01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:50,980 yellow I think is what he says um we get 1474 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:53,110 no more than that just a trailer at the 1475 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:55,570 end of court of Lucifer which implies 1476 01:15:02,189 --> 01:14:57,610 that there's already a manuscript of 1477 01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:02,199 completed book round unfortunately like 1478 01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:05,590 the the third book of [\h__\h] Elias is 1479 01:15:12,660 --> 01:15:08,290 apparently lost did he say where the 1480 01:15:14,729 --> 01:15:12,670 amber was from no there's no easy 1481 01:15:18,899 --> 01:15:14,739 connection as to quite how he gets from 1482 01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:18,909 mum to the third stone to to the lump of 1483 01:15:25,919 --> 01:15:23,590 amber it's a little bit like um I guess 1484 01:15:29,069 --> 01:15:25,929 what alchemists would call the bourbon 1485 01:15:31,859 --> 01:15:29,079 dismissing the UM the missing word the 1486 01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:31,869 sense that there's a um a key to the 1487 01:15:36,540 --> 01:15:34,230 mystery which is which is lost to us a 1488 01:15:40,799 --> 01:15:36,550 missing third book that might have 1489 01:15:44,420 --> 01:15:40,809 figure unlocked the first two powers of 1490 01:15:50,710 --> 01:15:47,090 I mean what could be more terrible than 1491 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:50,720 destroying information like that I mean 1492 01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:54,090 you know it's just it you know that I 1493 01:15:58,580 --> 01:15:55,950 think of things like you know the the 1494 01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:58,590 burning of the library in Alexandria and 1495 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:00,840 all the things that were lost and that 1496 01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:05,010 and people destroying books on purpose 1497 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:10,230 and it just I think it's if you want to 1498 01:16:22,460 --> 01:16:18,320 people who burn books will burn other 1499 01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:22,470 human beings next the NOx is of course 1500 01:16:30,770 --> 01:16:26,630 was famous for burning books yeah yeah 1501 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:30,780 well goodness that's quite a story 1502 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:33,330 otto ronnie has always been a particular 1503 01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:38,330 interest and now of the things that are 1504 01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:40,830 you know we've all heard the stories you 1505 01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:44,070 know you said the Grail being home at 1506 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:45,060 Mont Segur 1507 01:16:52,150 --> 01:16:50,810 do you have an idea of what the Grail is 1508 01:16:54,170 --> 01:16:52,160 [Music] 1509 01:16:57,650 --> 01:16:54,180 well of course there's many different 1510 01:17:02,810 --> 01:16:57,660 definitions of Grail and many 1511 01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:02,820 derivations thereof I mean even 1512 01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:06,480 something tangible well I don't see why 1513 01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:06,750 not 1514 01:17:21,860 --> 01:17:19,340 if earth is the material reflection of a 1515 01:17:25,460 --> 01:17:21,870 spiritual reality then it makes sense to 1516 01:17:28,730 --> 01:17:25,470 me that the spiritual force could take 1517 01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:28,740 material manifestation some something 1518 01:17:35,450 --> 01:17:32,460 which is an ideal or a spiritual force 1519 01:17:38,180 --> 01:17:35,460 could also have some formal from or yo 1520 01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:38,190 of Earth the presence and there's 1521 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:41,490 certainly been different relics over the 1522 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:43,650 years that would conform to this notion 1523 01:17:49,220 --> 01:17:46,770 of the of the Holy Grail I mean there's 1524 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:49,230 some apart from the Cup in Valencia 1525 01:17:54,650 --> 01:17:52,170 there's some christ blood in a file in 1526 01:17:58,670 --> 01:17:54,660 brugge that's generated in the basilica 1527 01:18:02,660 --> 01:17:58,680 of the holy blood there's a I'm the 1528 01:18:04,190 --> 01:18:02,670 serving dish the with the vesica Pisces 1529 01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,200 the Christian fish some Blahnik 1530 01:18:11,060 --> 01:18:06,560 described in chrétien de Troyes possible 1531 01:18:12,890 --> 01:18:11,070 exists in the Louvre museum in Paris hmm 1532 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:12,900 so there are various items floating 1533 01:18:18,260 --> 01:18:14,850 around that you can tied to the the 1534 01:18:20,180 --> 01:18:18,270 Kramer in Wolfram von Eschenbach sparse 1535 01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:20,190 Appel the Grail is not a cup but as a 1536 01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:24,750 stone a hard dark stone named as lap 1537 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:28,500 that exceeds the eastern from the sky by 1538 01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:32,370 which people retain their they'd a 1539 01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:34,020 youthful looks retire have something 1540 01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:36,530 close to eternal life 1541 01:18:45,230 --> 01:18:40,710 yeah this is um linked locally to a I'm 1542 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:45,240 a hard dark meteoric stone which um has 1543 01:18:50,860 --> 01:18:48,090 been found in many of the caves of the 1544 01:18:53,780 --> 01:18:50,870 areas and in the mountains around here 1545 01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:53,790 and there's a story about something we 1546 01:19:03,920 --> 01:18:57,780 knows the growl Pyrenean which is a sort 1547 01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:03,930 of meteoric cup or a bowl wench is often 1548 01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:07,440 linked to the story of the treasure of 1549 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:11,070 months ago I think it was only later 1550 01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,010 that people tried to to Christianize the 1551 01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:16,880 Grail by um making it into a specific 1552 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:19,620 holy relic into the the cup of the Last 1553 01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:21,930 Supper but they've been various other 1554 01:19:26,420 --> 01:19:23,970 yes sacred treasures down for the years 1555 01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:26,430 and this would go away back to notions 1556 01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:28,980 of the UM the cornucopia the horn of 1557 01:19:36,820 --> 01:19:32,760 plenty or um brands cauldron when she 1558 01:19:39,490 --> 01:19:36,830 floated around it not to me I'm beyond 1559 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:39,500 possibility that there was some kind of 1560 01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:41,850 treasure concealed here in the mountain 1561 01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:46,680 uh Tehran described it as the diadem of 1562 01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:49,680 Lucifer the UM the crown of Lucifer 1563 01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:52,980 these done fell from the brow rebel 1564 01:19:57,500 --> 01:19:54,560 angel when he was cast out of heaven 1565 01:20:00,680 --> 01:19:57,510 that the fallen angels um 1566 01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:00,690 seek to regain so that their master 1567 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:02,820 might one day I'm recoveries lost linked 1568 01:20:10,010 --> 01:20:06,810 with garden retain regain his rightful 1569 01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:10,020 place in the kingdom of heaven I guess I 1570 01:20:14,060 --> 01:20:11,820 am yeah 1571 01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,070 a symbol of the guilt of whatever it is 1572 01:20:20,530 --> 01:20:15,840 that we've lost in the course of that of 1573 01:20:24,220 --> 01:20:20,540 that fall into material incarnation so 1574 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:24,230 you know I guess there are a lot of 1575 01:20:30,109 --> 01:20:27,810 descriptions of the ground holding in my 1576 01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:30,119 hand as we close I think the music is 1577 01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:32,340 starting now it's time to say goodbye 1578 01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:34,380 but I'm holding in my hand two little 1579 01:20:42,819 --> 01:20:37,679 stones that you gave me from Montsegur 1580 01:20:45,819 --> 01:20:42,829 the the little bleeding meteorite stones 1581 01:20:49,939 --> 01:20:45,829 remember that you still have those yes 1582 01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:49,949 holding in my hand as we speak and they 1583 01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:52,800 do deed please and the blood suits have 1584 01:20:58,209 --> 01:20:55,800 actually budget they secrete the first 1585 01:21:00,800 --> 01:20:58,219 solution much nine percent pure iron 1586 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:00,810 bring us back that issue about the iron 1587 01:21:07,939 --> 01:21:03,810 content of the amount again magics 1588 01:21:09,740 --> 01:21:07,949 dancing the iron yeah we're gonna have 1589 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:09,750 to say good night Richard I'm so sorry 1590 01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:13,050 but the music is playing and it's time 1591 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:19,800 to go thank you so much oh I can't wait 1592 01:21:24,979 --> 01:21:22,050 hope to see you all there with us in 1593 01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:24,989 France in May good night everybody 1594 01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:48,110 the starlight lounge presents an evening 1595 01:21:53,180 --> 01:21:50,460 at the progressive box oh what a great 1596 01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:53,190 audience let's dim the lights for this 1597 01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:56,250 next one nope too much ah there it is 1598 01:22:00,320 --> 01:21:58,170 gotta get things just right like 1599 01:22:01,820 --> 01:22:00,330 progressives name your price tool tell 1600 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:01,830 us what you want to pay and we help you 1601 01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:03,450 find coverage options that fit your 1602 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:08,460 budget and now the mood is right wait 1603 01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:09,930 the lights are back on again 1604 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